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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Please Foward to list -Re Brake drums
From: "Bob Merritt Simplex Mfg" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. 62 300 medallions
From: GERALD OLSON <olson77@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: 300 handling
From: "Steve Galezowski" <stevenlulu@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: 300 medallions (and lenses)
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. torqueflite trans.
From: "thomas powers" <classiccars64@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: torqueflite trans.
From: "Steve Galezowski" <stevenlulu@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. 300C brakes
From: "Gary Gettleman" <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. torqueflite trans.
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:58:29 -0400
From: "Bob Merritt Simplex Mfg" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Please Foward to list -Re Brake drums
Forwarding this message from Jim McMullan
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From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bob Merritt" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:53 PM
Subject: Please Foward to list -Re Break drums
>
> Many years ago when our in house machine shop was slow,we started doing
> outside work to make some extra cash.One of the things we did was metal
spray
> brake drums for Gray-Hound busses.It was expensive but not as bad as
buying new
> ones.Because of the scarcity of serviceable drums for our brutes maybe
this
> would be a option.Throw the thought out to the club, and see what
happens.Jim
> McMullan 300 F
>
> --- macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:13:26 -0400
From: GERALD OLSON <olson77@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 62 300 medallions
I've recieved 7 responses to my question about the quality of Georges
work, {All positive}. Thanks to all of you for the feedback. The best
62 I have will be on the way to him today for copying. Stay toned.
regards--Jerry
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:38:59 -0400
From: "Steve Galezowski" <stevenlulu@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300 handling
I too am an owner of both a 300 (300L) and a corvette (66 roadster).
Without
a doubt the corvette is the better handling vehicle, which I attribute to
its lower center of gravity, lower weight, more even weight distribution
and
independent rear suspension. However, I have taken both the 300L and the
corvette up to 135MPH and I can say that at that speed the 300L feels much
more solid while the vette has significant front end lift you can feel in
the steering. I would not want to take a curve in either car at that
speed.
Steve Galezowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty McDonough" <oldtimer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300 handling
> Jim Bartuska wrote:
>
> >Hi Aussie, I've lived with Big Block (427 & 454 ci. in.) Corvettes all
my
> adult life & have learned some of the problems that make them handle
funny.
> I have driven them up to 140 MPH, mostly on race tracks, & never had
> problems with the rear end not tracking properly. Corvettes built
between
> '63 & '82 had the same basic frame/suspension system and are prone to
two
> common problems. First, age deteriorates the rear trailing arm bushings.
> Second, in the colder climates where gobs of salt are used on the roads,
> rust will weaken the frame at the attaching point of the trailing arms.
Both
> of there conditions will cause the rear end to wander or "steer" from
the
> rear. A properly maintained & aligned rear suspension in a Corvette will
> produce cornering results that exceed the capability of our trusty
300's.
> 300'ly yours,
>
> Hi Folks - I agree with Jim, and I am agreeing from a position of
strength.
> I have in my garage, quite close to each other a 300C Coupe that we have
> owned for many years, and have put many miles on it, some at speed, and
a
> 1964 Corvette Big Tank Fuelie Coupe which we have also driven at 120MPH.
> There is no question in my mind that the Corvette is a much more
comfortable
> car at speed. This one has a 3:08 rear end so it has nothing till
3500rpm
> but then......... Jim is much braver than I, as the mid-year vettes get
> very light on the front end starting at 125, and are almost undriveable
over
> 140
>
> Marty McDonough
>
> Pahrump, NV
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:34:49 +0200
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300 medallions (and lenses)
Hi,
I agree, the work that does George Laurie is fantastic. i've ordered
some lenses for my '57 Imperial and they look great. I've put some pics
+ list and prices of parts on my web page:
http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f/laurie.htm
--
Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)- Webmaster des sites ACCF et C-I-F
Imperial 1957 Crown convertible
Buick 1996 Roadmaster wagon
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France (C-I-F) : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 01:07:00 +0000
From: "thomas powers" <classiccars64@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: torqueflite trans.
Hello.
I have a question what speeds can a torqueflite transmission
downshift
cause i was going 60 or 70 m.p.h. in my 60 300F and a car tried to pass
me
when he was way back to start with then i hit the gas and it would not
downshift so i could get ahead and the car eventually got right by me and
passed me.But it would not have happened if the transmission would have
went
into passing gear whats wrong thank you tom.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:18:55 -0400
From: "Steve Galezowski" <stevenlulu@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: torqueflite trans.
I believe it depends on how the transmission is set up which in turn
depends
on your motor's torque curve & rpm capability and your axle ratio. If you
have a stock 413 with a 3.23? rear gear, then you wouldn't want it to
downshift over 70 mph or you are likely to overrev the motor.
Steve Galezowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas powers" <classiccars64@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] torqueflite trans.
>
> Hello.
> I have a question what speeds can a torqueflite transmission
downshift
> cause i was going 60 or 70 m.p.h. in my 60 300F and a car tried to pass
me
> when he was way back to start with then i hit the gas and it would not
> downshift so i could get ahead and the car eventually got right by me
and
> passed me.But it would not have happened if the transmission would have
went
> into passing gear whats wrong thank you tom.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:14:49 -0700
From: "Gary Gettleman" <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300C brakes
my car was converted to disc brakes (front) very early in its life.
Conversion was done by chrysler? dealer in Zurich, Switzerland. I would
like to convert to a good old USA disc set-up ( four wheel). Any
suggestions
Gary Gettleman
G&G Associates
(408) 985-0182 Direct
(408) 867-7811 Fax
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:18:10 -0500
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: torqueflite trans.
Even though the transmission may not automatically downshift into second
as
a passing gear, if you are still within the torque and HP range of your
engine, it is usually possible to manually downshift. At 60-70 MPH I
would
think that at full throttle you could still down shift without over
revving
the engine. I would use full throttle to avoid a severe jolt from the
mismatch in engine and transmission output speed. I threw together some
real rough and ready figures using a lot of assumptions to see what might
have happened if the tranny did downshift or if you manually did so.
I know post '62 727 aluminum torqueflites use a final drive ratio of
1.00:1 and a second gear ratio of 1.45:1. I can't find the gear ratios
for
the cast iron torqueflite, but the second gear is probably very close to
that of the later tranny. If we assume two different tires for a
comparison, 235R75 x 15 and 225R70 x 15 we find the 235-75 series has a
diameter of about 28.9" and the 225-70 series a diameter of about 27.4".
Assuming a rear end ration of 3.23:1, at 70 MPH and in third gear, the
engine would be turning 2638 RPM with the 235 tires and 2773 RPM with the
225 tires.
A downshift to second at 70 MPH with a 1.45 second gear ratio would lead
to
3825 RPM with the 235 tires and 4020 RPM with the 225 tires. I believe
the
standard 413 in the "F" developed 375 HP at 5000 RPM and the higher
performance engine developed 400 HP at 5,200 RPM. It appears to me as
though the engine would not be over revving.
Since maximum torque develops at 2800 for the 375 HP engine and at 3600
RPM
for the 400 HP engine, looks like you were sort of caught right in the
middle, beyond the torque band and not really in the HP range for the
standard 375 HP engine. I sort of feel that if you have the 400 HP
engine, it must have been an unusually fast car to pass on by like that.
Next time, slip it into second right when you think something exciting
might develop and be sure to start accelerating earlier. You have to have
a MUCH faster car to overcome the momentum gathered by a long head
start. It is easy for another car to be going 20 MPH or more faster than
you when they come even, if you wait till they are almost there to
accelerate,...well, you know.
If you do want to manually bring the engine to it's peak, I recommend an
accurate tachometer, new valve springs are quite helpful as well.
That's my Monday morning quarterback take on the situation from a few
thousand miles away.
Regards,
Bill Huff
I believe it depends on how the transmission is set up which in turn
depends
on your motor's torque curve & rpm capability and your axle ratio. If you
have a stock 413 with a 3.23? rear gear, then you wouldn't want it to
downshift over 70 mph or you are likely to over rev the motor.
Steve Galezowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas powers" <classiccars64@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] torqueflite trans.
>
> Hello.
> I have a question what speeds can a torqueflite transmission
downshift
> cause i was going 60 or 70 m.p.h. in my 60 300F and a car tried to
pass
me
> when he was way back to start with then i hit the gas and it would not
> downshift so i could get ahead and the car eventually got right by me
and
> passed me.But it would not have happened if the transmission would have
went
> into passing gear whats wrong thank you tom.
>
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