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There are 7 messages in this issue.
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1. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: IML: '57 front brakes:(short) road test
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
From: fastedgie@xxxxxxx
4. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
From: fastedgie@xxxxxxx
5. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
From: "Charlie Valentine" <cross.ram@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: final re new 300C and '57 brakes idea
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:17:07 -0700
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
Do not believe that GM cannot screw up a good thing or have you forgotten
what they did for Corvette in the 70's(after 72) and the 80's and some would
say until today(for looks). And let us not forget what they did to the
Pontiac name.
And you are correct, the disgrace that Ford did with T-Bird was over the
top.
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From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
Sorry to go here again but it seems certain somebody should tell Chrysler
like it is??!!
Daimler Chrysler are bloody lucky I am over here in Australia, as it looks
like they are determined to prostitute the 300C name trying to give it to
that absolute shocker (looks wise) of new hemi.
Obviously they know it looks so bad that they must try something/anything,
to sell it??!!
And either they are pig stupid to not know certain/many? in the 300 Club do
not approve of using so cheaply a name/image that truly is
worthy/significant.
(And if they so pig stupid to claim to be unaware many are not happy, then
don't hold your breath for how good, clever, the car will be ?!)
Old man Chrysler would/will turn in his grave that his old Company/name, has
to resort to such means to sell product?! I mean whatever happened to
building a car that sold itself, didn't need any cons/tricks?!
I challenge/dare Chrysler to fly me over there, let them try and sell me on
why the car is worthy of Exner's original 300C name, not to mention using
the 300 name. (I mean so many V8 engines today are ohc, 4 valve, etc ?!)
Australia has been very badly treated by our politicians encouraging selling
off 100% to foreigners, all our major companies, iron ore, alluminium, power
companies, meatworks, etc, etc, so today we own nothing, are too often
reduced to low paid employees - virtually everything, the profits go
offshore, they no longer pay tax here - and our dollar has gone from 120US
to recently 55.
And you, America - if Chrysler's best idea is use the 300C name to try and
sell an obvuiosly most ugly car since the Edsel fiasco (Which to me
personally the Edsel is way more attractive than the new "***##@@!***") -
then god bless America, because you are headed the same way as us.
You guys go to their launch, but take a few good 300Cs, ones that are well
tuned, on radials, and run them (attending journos) round the block, stick
your heavy accelerator foot into them, and show them how Chrysler used to
build cars that had guts and looks, character - and in the 300C, a true
milestone.
Chrsyler's new 300C will be a milestone - it will be remembered as the most
prostituting of an icon trying to sell a car that will be as memorable as
the Edsel for building a car of just so bad appearance.
Sorry to rave on, but GM knew by the 20s that looks sold cars, and here is
Chrysler 80 years later refusing to learn from history - maybe they are
better of selling babies nappies, anything, but cars?! At least if Chrysler
do so bad out of this, they may soon be selling nappies, and the 300F, B,
and other letters will be safe?!
over to you yanks - you are there, your chance to go and tell them, the
journos, what you think. Ford killed it's Thunderbird chance by botching
it, 300 looks next??! Have you guys really been taking the same stupid
pills we obviously have?
Aussie Christopher
>From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [Chrysler300] special invitation from Daimler / Chrysler to all
>Chrysler 300 Club Int'l members
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:16:09 -0400
>
>http://www.chrysler300club.com/card.pdf
>or
>http://www.chrysler300club.com/invite.jpg
>
>To all members, especially those in the Chicago area:
>
>I have been contacted by BBDO - Detroit - the Chrysler Advertising Agency
>in Michigan. They are working on the marketing and advertising launch for
>the new 300 Series for Chrysler. Chrysler Brand Managers are hereby
>inviting YOU - any Chrysler 300 Club member from the area. A couple of
>members of DCX engineering and an Editor of Car and Driver / Road & Track
>will be making a presentation on the 300C Hemi. Sneak preview next
>Tuesday. Please CALL 888-423-3332 to make a required RESERVATION if you
>desire to attend.
>
>I have been specifically asked to pass on this invitation to Chrysler 300
>Club members via e-mail; please click on either of the above links (one is
>.jpg, the other .pdf ) to view the official invitation card.
>
>Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 6:00 to 8:00 PM
>at
>Galleria Marchetti
>825 W. Erie
>Chicago IL
>
>Guest Speaker: Car and Driver Editor Jim McCraw
>
>If you have any Club members friends in the area who do not have e-mail -
>call them and pass it on !
>
>Sincerely
>John Hertog
>
>
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>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:06:03 +0200
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: IML: '57 front brakes:(short) road test
Hi all,
Today, after morning rain, the weather was fine, the roads were dried so
i did a little road test. I didn't want make a test on wet road ..
I assume that 80 to 90 % of the problems are solved !! No brutal "right
pull side" , no "lumpy" braking at very slow speed, no brutal locking
(front left) wheel ! And only with replacing a drum which was previously
turned ...
Remember that i put the two (original) drums of my wrecked '57. The
right side drum is a little grooved on braking lining surface and it's
perhaps the reason that the car pulls (lightly) on the left on hard
braking: more braking surface on left than right ?
Before "crier victoire" (shout victory), i must make a longer test,
maybe tomorrow. I must also wait a week and test if the brakes don't
lock on the first braking but itsn't the most important thing !
I think that, as the left drum was conical-shaped, the lining follows
the surface and wedges in the backing plate . I had some spots on the
lining. Or only a fraction of the lining was used so the car pulls to
the other side ?
I haven't make a too long test to check if the brakes always squeak but
i made the same road (5 miles) two weeks ago and when i came back home
the brakes squeak. Today, i hear nothing !!
I feel now very reassured, especially at 105 kph (and not mph..)
--
Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)- Webmaster des sites ACCF et C-I-F
Imperial 1957 Crown convertible
Buick 1996 Roadmaster wagon
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France (C-I-F) : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:58:45 EDT
From: fastedgie@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
You are so right Christopher.
But the Germans are running the company NOW!
They actually think the use of the name 300C is a compliment to the legendary
57.
The problem is cultural human perception.
To you and I the use of the 300C name is as repulsive as the hospitality of a
redneck dinner wherein the main course is fresh 'road kill'.
The Germans just don't understand the American market.
As far as the politicians selling out the country, there is nothing we can
do. The decision makers are all going to be gone with their pockets filled
before the problems are fully realised.
Bob Eaton was a prime example. Personal wealth over the health of the
Company or Country.
The best part of Australia is what the Creator gave you. Look beyond the
bastard politicians and enjoy!
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:22:43 EDT
From: fastedgie@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
In a message dated 9/26/03 9:37:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> It will be interesting to see how the public reacts to the car. I'm
> anxious to see one in person to really develop an overall opinion. I remember when
> the Dodge Ram trucks came out in '93. Many die-hard MoPar fans did not like
> the styling and called it ugly. over time it became so popular that Ford
> and Chevy have had to work hard to keep up, taking styling cues from the Ram.
>
I personally can't imagine any Mopar lover who didn't immediately fall in
love with the 1994 Ram. Whether the new 300 sells will depend on the acceptance
of styling and pricing.
Consumers have a lot of choices and the old die-hard Chrysler lovers are
dying off as a result of the German marketing ideas.
We will have to wait and see. One thing for sure, If it was still the old
Chrysler Corporation we wouldn't have reason to be concerned. We would have
already had the 300Hemi C Convertible which was undoubtedly one of the best
designs for public appeal and acceptance. However, Mercedes management mentality
does not give the public what they want, they give them what they dictate.
Because it's a free world they are losing their asses in the American market.
Don't believe me, look at their dictator brands, like the Pacifica, the
Sprinter, and the G-500. No one in North America wants them but they continue to
force them on the dealers. Poor dealers can't complain for fear of silent
reprocutions. It's a mess!
Plymouth was the American brand. It's gone and Chrysler nameplate was
degraded to fill the gap and now all of a sudden Chrysler is being upscaled because
that didn't work. Up scale means higher prices. Maybe they think that getting
a Chrysler price in to the Mercedes range will increase Mercedes sales.
Whatever they think they are just plain NUTS!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:22:06 -0400
From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
lets watch the comments about redneck road kill. i'll have you know that here in tennessee we have a state law which mandates it is perfectly legal to eat road kill(at long as you make sure it is dead first). nothing more tasty than fresh possum or ground hog. pat grant
----- Original Message -----
From: fastedgie@xxxxxxx
To: thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
You are so right Christopher.
But the Germans are running the company NOW!
They actually think the use of the name 300C is a compliment to the legendary
57.
The problem is cultural human perception.
To you and I the use of the 300C name is as repulsive as the hospitality of a
redneck dinner wherein the main course is fresh 'road kill'.
The Germans just don't understand the American market.
As far as the politicians selling out the country, there is nothing we can
do. The decision makers are all going to be gone with their pockets filled
before the problems are fully realised.
Bob Eaton was a prime example. Personal wealth over the health of the
Company or Country.
The best part of Australia is what the Creator gave you. Look beyond the
bastard politicians and enjoy!
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:15:22 -0700
From: "Charlie Valentine" <cross.ram@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
Just a note. When I was out in Farmington, PA at the Nemacolin Woodland
Resort they had a car collection and in it was a 1962 Mercedes 300C. All of
the cars were actually for sale and they all had price tags. If I remember
correctly its price tag was in the hundreds of thousands. The name 300,
300b, 300c, 300d and what ever other letters you put in back of 300 mean
nothing to them. They have their own versions of 300, 300b, 300c, 300d and
maybe others.
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From: <fastedgie@xxxxxxx>
To: <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
You are so right Christopher.
But the Germans are running the company NOW!
They actually think the use of the name 300C is a compliment to the
legendary
57.
The problem is cultural human perception.
To you and I the use of the 300C name is as repulsive as the hospitality of
a
redneck dinner wherein the main course is fresh 'road kill'.
The Germans just don't understand the American market.
As far as the politicians selling out the country, there is nothing we can
do. The decision makers are all going to be gone with their pockets filled
before the problems are fully realised.
Bob Eaton was a prime example. Personal wealth over the health of the
Company or Country.
The best part of Australia is what the Creator gave you. Look beyond the
bastard politicians and enjoy!
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:11:53 +1000
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: final re new 300C and '57 brakes idea
1. With regard to Phillippe Courant's '57 front brake dramas - over here in
Australia you cannot buy the original (narrow) front brake cups that go in
the wheel cyylinders. And if you use the normal wider ones that are
supplied, the bleed return hole in the cylinder cuts the lip of the cup when
you apply the brakes hard, and thereafter the fluid bleeds out onto the
lining, causing the brake to grab exactly like Phillippe said.
You either have to use original narrow brake cups, or shorten the metal push
rods that attach to the brake shoes. Phillippe, check your brake cups, if
they are like here in Australia, that is your problem - the leak is not
large, so if use car regulary, not too bad - but leave it sit a week or so,
and whammo, grabbing brake.
2. Thank you to those who seemingly agreed with my 'annoyance/anger' at
Mercedes prostituting the 300C name/image on what to me seems a clearly
unfortunate product.
Since seeing they have the 'stupidity?' (arrogance?) to invite owners of
real 300s to their launch ( We all hope it is not a 'sinking' ?!), I realise
there are more important things than spending time on people (Mercedes/
Chrysler?) who possibly are too stupid to realise what others can plainly
see?
The bottom line is America has not built many memorable cars since the early
70s, and meantime other countries have improved hugely. If Mercedes choses
to put people in charge of Chrysler who obviously are out of touch, do not
listen, or do not know the basic rules of building/sellling cars, then that
is their right, and we all can/will buy product (non Chrysler) from those
other better companies that build cars for people who know what they want,
and where to get it. (I think i earlier mentioned Ford here in Australia
built an unpopular looking car, went from No 1, to nearly bankrupt - they
have re-styled the car, and now are knocking on No 1 position again.)
What can I/we do?!
I used to subscribe to Car & Driver in the late 60s, and what I might do is
drop them a line, asking them to sample an original 300C in looking at any
new 300C.
Whose car can I suggest they use - preferrably it should be a coupe, and
ideally with wire wheels, and very well sorted re good shocks, radials, and
the carbs, transmission and exhaust well set up.
(Of my 3 300Cs, only one has the carbs/linkage well sorted - it flies once
it gets to about 25-30mph, maybe runs the quarter in around 15 seconds,
otherwise is basically stock.)
How common are such cars other there, and especially if they have the KYB
shocks - this is the sort of original 300C we must make journos aware of -
who can nominate a few for them to maybe experience?
Over to you, just been driving my '58 Cad convertible at an event for pre
70s cars that starts down near the beach and runs up into the hills behind
(Adelaide a bit like LA only way smaller) - 1980 entries, and about another
200-500 non entereds. (don't get too excited, lots of British, one '60 New
Yorker Coupe, '56 NY Convertible, '53 and '56 Packard Carribean, then mainly
other more normal 'yanks').
GM may have stuffed up badly since, but they sure nailed that seat and ride
combination in the '58 Cad range, especially if you have the top down. May
not handle like a Chrysler, nor have the punch of a hemi, but you are riding
in maybe the most comfortable car bar I know what. Now if Phillippe had his
'57 Imperial convertible here, what a day, comparision that would be. That
was when Chrysler and Exner really knew about building knockout cars, cars
to be proud to own/drive. That shot of his '57 Imperial convertible shows
how well Exner pulled it off.
Aussie Christopher
>From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
><mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,Chrysler 300 Yahoo List Server
><Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,Fwdlk <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [Chrysler300] Re: IML: '57 front brakes:(short) road test
>Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:06:03 +0200
>
>Hi all,
>Today, after morning rain, the weather was fine, the roads were dried so
>i did a little road test. I didn't want make a test on wet road ..
>I assume that 80 to 90 % of the problems are solved !! No brutal "right
>pull side" , no "lumpy" braking at very slow speed, no brutal locking
>(front left) wheel ! And only with replacing a drum which was previously
>turned ...
>Remember that i put the two (original) drums of my wrecked '57. The
>right side drum is a little grooved on braking lining surface and it's
>perhaps the reason that the car pulls (lightly) on the left on hard
>braking: more braking surface on left than right ?
>Before "crier victoire" (shout victory), i must make a longer test,
>maybe tomorrow. I must also wait a week and test if the brakes don't
>lock on the first braking but itsn't the most important thing !
>I think that, as the left drum was conical-shaped, the lining follows
>the surface and wedges in the backing plate . I had some spots on the
>lining. Or only a fraction of the lining was used so the car pulls to
>the other side ?
>I haven't make a too long test to check if the brakes always squeak but
>i made the same road (5 miles) two weeks ago and when i came back home
>the brakes squeak. Today, i hear nothing !!
>I feel now very reassured, especially at 105 kph (and not mph..)
>
>--
>
>Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)- Webmaster des sites ACCF et C-I-F
>Imperial 1957 Crown convertible
>Buick 1996 Roadmaster wagon
>
>- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
>
>- Chrysler Imperial France (C-I-F) : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
>
>- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
>
>- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
>
>
>
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