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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Rob Kern's C
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. robert kern
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
3. Re: Glass Wax reply
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
4. 300C rear window stainless trim
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: 300C rear window stainless trim
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. 1957 inner fender color
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Leather softener
From: "langendorfer" <langendorfer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Leather softener
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Gertler Special
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. re -Leather Softner
From: Kenneth Wilson <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Magazine Story
From: Gary Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: 300C rear window stainless trim
From: "John L. Chesnutt" <chesnutt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:09:06 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Rob Kern's C
Rob Kern hands out a great deal of credit to others for getting his C from the condition in which he purchased it to its current glory. And its nice to see that.
The other side of the coin is the man himself: for taking a rather problematic C and with true vision and dedication upgrading any and every unsatisfactory aspect of the car until he was satisfied.
Great kudos to Rob.
Wayne
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:05:56 -0800
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
Subject: robert kern
Great car Robert , I'll just bet that could be just a tad bit more exciting then when the kids were born?
As for the C-D , sorry bud that distinction still rests with the E
Meisner
300-E
Canada
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:15:31 -0800
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Glass Wax reply
I have received a number of inquiries on my comments regarding Microfiber
cloths, where to get them and how to judge quality.
Do a Google search on microfiber cloths and you will find all you ever
wanted to know on them.
This site is one of the first that came up.
Roger Schaaf
300 B Calif.
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From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <quentsmith@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Glass Wax reply
> I have used product successfully for many years. As far as I know, you
can
> still purchase from Orchard Supply(a Sears owned chain of hardware stores
in
> Calif).
>
> I now use microfibre cloths for cleaning my auto windows. Find that the
> high quality ones(some are junk) used with plain water or perhaps a final
> wipe with Windex do a fine job of cleaning interior auto windows with nary
a
> smudge.
>
> Glass Wax instructions for cleaning windows should not be followed
exactly.
> They suggest to apply with a damp sponge, allow to dry and then to wipe
> clean.
>
> This leaves a powder residue all over your auto interior(especially in the
> fuzzy window stuff). I found 20 years ago to not let it dry after
> application, but to wipe immediately while still wet. Does not change
> cleaning results and eliminates the mess.
>
> Also some regular auto cleaner/wax products do a good job of cleaning
> interior windows. Another great tip is to NEVER use Armor All(the
ultimate
> amateur product--yes I have a very strong opinion on this) or such
silicone
> based systems on interior windows(or for my money anywhere on your auto).
> These type of products(silicone based) upon evaporation leave this nasty
> film on your windows and is nigh on to impossible to remove(also if you
are
> wondering why your interior black surfaces as well as tires are turning
> bronze, look at the product that you are using). I use only 303
> Protectant(there are other such water based products that work well) on my
> interior vinyl surfaces(works well for leather) and also on tires. Gives
a
> nice dull satin sheen, protects, cleans and does not scum windows and turn
> tires bronze/brown/gold.
>
> Roger Schaaf
> 300 B Calif.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <quentsmith@xxxxxxx>
> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:43 PM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Glass Wax reply
>
>
> Folks,
>
> My wife frequents a store that we visited a number of years ago
that
> had Glass Wax. It is not being made anymore, but they have a new one made
> exclusively for them based on the same formula. The store name is The
> Vermont
> Country Store. The website address is : Your usual www and then
> Vermontcountrystore.com. Look under cleaning supplies and they address the
> Glass Wax situation.
>
> They even have Fels Naptha soap and a thousand other old time
goodies
> there.
>
> Phone number at the store is: 802-362-8460, it is in Vermont!
>
> Quentin Smith
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:28:38 +1300
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300C rear window stainless trim
Hi all
When comparing the lower window trim that fits around the rear pillar on my 300C project car, build date of 1st March, to that of my other 300C with a build date of 15th April. The early car has all clips to hold it in place around the pillar whilst the late car has a screw. The hole in the trim for the screw looks to be a factory punch job rather than a home handyman/cordless drill type job. So was this a factory or dealer mid-year upgrade? Or should I be looking for some replacement trim.....
Thanks for the help.
Owen
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:56:14 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300C rear window stainless trim
Definitely both types of trim ends were used in production on '57 hardtops, one clipped down fully and the other with a screw placed perhaps a couple inches back from the rain gutter in the short strips at the end of the lower horizontal surround. I have been unable to sort out whether this was a case of two suppliers (doubtful) or a running production change (more likely) however there does not seem to be a clear-cut distinction for a changeover VIN or date. I'm sure it happened at the factory, rather than being a dealership fix-it. Judges should accept either as far as I can tell.
Wayne
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:59:37 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1957 inner fender color
The wheel/tire/suspension side of the front fenders of all '57 Chryslers built at the Jefferson Chrysler assy. plant in Detroit, were painted with the gray self-etching primer as all the sheet metal had been. Indeed, under the body color on the engine side of those inner fender wells is the same primer but as the car came down the assy. line, a UAW worker stood in the engine bay and sprayed across the already assembled-to-fenders inner wheel wells and cowl. That is why the inner fender to outer fender attaching bolts are ALSO body colored - they were painted with the front clip after they were installed.
Near the end of the assy. line, undercoat was applied in all the wheel wells except a few special order or "race" cars, so virtually the entire inner wheel well surface became black over the primer by the undercoat application.
Wayne
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 04:12:06 +0000
From: "Jay R" <robodoc57@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1957 inner fender color
I'm finishing up the front clip on my 57 C. I would like to know the correct
color for the tire side of the fender. Is it the color of the car or is it
black? Thanks .
Jay Robinson
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:11:24 -0500
From: "langendorfer" <langendorfer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Leather softener
Folks,
I concur with Wayne - I have also used the Leatherique product, which
actually consists of the animal oils squeezed from hides - doesn't get
better than that.
Also, glad it is still being made as I think they went through some
ownership
changes in the company at some point and when I contacted them in the in
1994 it wasn't clear they would continue to be a "going concern" .
Kudos to them for putting their history on their web site...explains a lot!
Keith
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From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Intl 300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <broxtop@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Leather softener
I'll throw another hat in the ring on the question of rejuvenating old
leather.
The product called "Rejuvenator Oil" from Leatherique
http://www.leatherique.com/ was used on my Gauguin '57 300C factory
original leather in 1987 just one time and not renewed until a few owners
later in about 2001. The leather was not only softened by the original
application but required no further maintenance for 14 years. And the
leather is still excellent now that a second application has been done.
Marv Raguse now owns the car.
I know Lexol is the popular hobby answer for leather, but Leatherique has
equally outstanding or superior products in my opinion.
Wayne
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:17:37 -0000 "broxtop" <broxtop@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Hello to all members,
> I just joined the club and look forward to picking your brains about
>
> my newly acquired 55 Chrysler C-300.
>
> First question: Can anyone recommend the best method of softening
> the
> leather interior? The tan leather is intact and not cracked to the
> point of showing holes, or open spots. I want to prevent this from
> happening. So far, I've used "Armor-All Leather Conditioner" in one
> application. My plan is to do this weekly for about 12 weeks or so
> until the suppleness returns.
>
> All the Best,
>
> David
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:40:41 -0800
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Leather softener
Lexol was also mentioned in Wayne's missive. Some years back I purchased a
new Mercedes pearl black 560 SEC which had a wine colored interior.
I was at the Mercedes parts counter one day and while there picked up a
bottle of Lexol which they had on display for sale.
One Saturday AM I spent about an hour thoroughly going over only the
driver's seat with this product and was about to start on the passenger seat
when I noted that I was short on time and was due at the tennis courts for a
match.
I was wearing white shorts and shirt and when I arrived at the court my
partner for our doubles match asked me what had happened to my clothing. I
looked down and said nothing that I was aware of. She said look at the back
or your shorts which I did and found them to be completely stained this
awful burgundy color as was the back of my shirt.
Of course this was not good, so the next day I went to Mercedes and they as
they are always wont to do pleaded ignorance. I then called Lexol and
initially they did also and I insisted that I speak to someone in
engineering or product development.
I finally ended up speaking to this fellow who after some intense prodding
admitted that they had had similar reports in the past but that they were so
rare that they had done nothing to warn their customers and of course they
were sorry. I told him that there substance had also somewhat taken some
color out of the Mercedes seat which was probably obvious as it was on my
clothing.
Nevertheless I have never used their stuff again and when I do see it my
tongue kinda of curls up just as when I see some food substance that I may
have eaten that I did not find pleasant. I now place it somewhere between
Armor All and running out of fuel on the list of things that I attempt to
avoid in my life.
As for the Mercedes, the car is now 17 years old with 150,000 miles on it(my
wife will not give it up and I have bought her 2 new cars, which I am always
forced to drive -hee hee- and she still only drives this old SEC, in fact ev
en today it is my favorite driver too) and all I have used since then on the
interior(leather and vinyl--incidentally Lexol then was useless on vinyl,
don't know about it now) is 303 Protectant. The interior as well as the
exterior still look as fresh and new as a 17 year old car can look.
I too have heard good reports on Leatherique and Hyde Food. I have no
experience with either however.
Roger Schaaf
300 B Calif
----- Original Message -----
From: "langendorfer" <langendorfer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Intl 300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Wayne Graefen"
<wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <broxtop@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Leather softener
> Folks,
>
> I concur with Wayne - I have also used the Leatherique product, which
> actually consists of the animal oils squeezed from hides - doesn't get
> better than that.
>
> Also, glad it is still being made as I think they went through some
> ownership
> changes in the company at some point and when I contacted them in the in
> 1994 it wasn't clear they would continue to be a "going concern" .
>
> Kudos to them for putting their history on their web site...explains a
lot!
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Intl 300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <broxtop@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:32 AM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Leather softener
>
>
> I'll throw another hat in the ring on the question of rejuvenating old
> leather.
> The product called "Rejuvenator Oil" from Leatherique
> http://www.leatherique.com/ was used on my Gauguin '57 300C factory
> original leather in 1987 just one time and not renewed until a few owners
> later in about 2001. The leather was not only softened by the original
> application but required no further maintenance for 14 years. And the
> leather is still excellent now that a second application has been done.
> Marv Raguse now owns the car.
> I know Lexol is the popular hobby answer for leather, but Leatherique has
> equally outstanding or superior products in my opinion.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:17:37 -0000 "broxtop" <broxtop@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > Hello to all members,
> > I just joined the club and look forward to picking your brains about
> >
> > my newly acquired 55 Chrysler C-300.
> >
> > First question: Can anyone recommend the best method of softening
> > the
> > leather interior? The tan leather is intact and not cracked to the
> > point of showing holes, or open spots. I want to prevent this from
> > happening. So far, I've used "Armor-All Leather Conditioner" in one
> > application. My plan is to do this weekly for about 12 weeks or so
> > until the suppleness returns.
> >
> > All the Best,
> >
> > David
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:32:23 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Gertler Special
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2443187866&category=6181
Anyone up Northeast know anything about this Hemi powered Special with fiberglass body? I've seen it SOMEWHERE before as I recognize the grille shape and the '40 Ford/Mercury headlamps.
Wayne
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:41:40 -0800
From: Kenneth Wilson <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re -Leather Softner
I too remember trying to get more leatherique, a few years later -after
my first order, and found the company (Caulson -I think - not sure of
the spelling) closed think the owner/product developer passed away -
not sure) . I manage to trace down a family member of the company owner
who gave me a name/source of getting some more dye etc. if any was left
- as the company (I assume a small family operation) was no longer. I
was only able to get the oil as the dyes (cherry red for the sport 62)
Etc. were no longer being made.
I still have some of the oil and it is still in usable condition which
not the case for Lexol which I bought years later - it went bad
(curdled). As I told that Lexol has a high percentage of water and
some non organic stuff. I did find that the leather would not take a
dye/color finish well if it was treated with Lexol but had no problem
with stripping the leather paint off the leather (62 chrysler 300 red
leather), treating with the Leatherique oil (on hot weather days),
filling the cracks, and re-spraying the paint/dye (after the oils have
soaked into the leather and excess wiped off and allowed to set a few weeks
I'm happy to hear, through this lister service ) that someone has
rescued the the product line and has it back on the market!
Ken Wilson
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:07:54 -0800
From: Gary Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Magazine Story
To all the members that showed an interest in my magazine story. Well
I finally received a copy. The name is" Freedom" a magazine for
Chrysler and Jeep owners. It is a very classy magazine. It is on the
same caliber as our" Forward" magazine put out by the Walter P. Chrysler
Museum. Freedom is larger in overall dimensions. Their stories are
Jeep Trips in different parts of Europe,and Stories on new cars and
Vans. A few stories here in the states driving various new cars like
the Crossfire. My issue is #17 and is the Winter 2003. The stories
that my car is in is called" My First Chrysler." The cars included in
the article were 2002 PT Cruser-France, 1958 Dodge Custom Royal
2DHT-Canada, 1960 Dodge Polara 2 DHT- Canada, 2002 PT Cruiser- USA,
1929 Plymouth U series Roadster- Australia, 1956 Dodge Custom Royal
2DHT ( mine) USA, 1987 Chrysler New Yorker-Germany, 1961 Chrysler
300G- USA, 1975 Hillman Avenger 1300 Super - UK ( no picture) I guess
Chrysler bought them out), and a 1962 Chrysler 300H- USA. Actually you
would never know the Magazine was printed in England but for a few
changes in the names of car parts. My picture of me at age 17 sitting
on the Bonnet of my Dodge and one other where my mother became my Mum.
Other than that it is a great high quality magazine. I'm trying to get
a few more copies but so far I'm not very successful yet. I can't send
pictures. againest listsaver rules
Everybody have a good week- Gary Barker
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:24:01 -0800
From: "John L. Chesnutt" <chesnutt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300C rear window stainless trim
Our 1957 300C, #3N571325, was built Jan 30, 1957 and has clips holding down
the stainless rear window trim. I have seen some with a screw. I always
thought that Chrysler changed to a screw later in the production year.
John & Arlys Chesnutt, Portland, OR.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300C rear window stainless trim
Hi all
When comparing the lower window trim that fits around the rear pillar on my
300C project car, build date of 1st March, to that of my other 300C with a
build date of 15th April. The early car has all clips to hold it in place
around the pillar whilst the late car has a screw. The hole in the trim for
the screw looks to be a factory punch job rather than a home
handyman/cordless drill type job. So was this a factory or dealer mid-year
upgrade? Or should I be looking for some replacement trim.....
Thanks for the help.
Owen
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