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- Date: 1 Mar 2004 12:27:06 -0000
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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
3. Re: Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. batwing
From: "Johnnie Slayton" <Jslayton@xxxxxxxxxx>
5. Inspection Services & Auction Results
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
6. February In Dayton
From: pennsy300@xxxxxxx
7. Re: February In Dayton
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. 1963/1964 Bumper Guards Needed
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
9. RE: February In Dayton
From: <john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. E=Bay Name
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
11. Moron Needs Help!
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
From: "PaddyCaddy ." <paddycaddy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: Inspection Services & Auction Results
From: Nancy Kramer <nekramer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: Moron Needs Help!
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. 1961 300G New Member
From: russellhousen@xxxxxxx
16. Fw: for lower gas prices
From: Michael & Joanne Casella <majj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
17. 1961 300G New Member - reply
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
18. Re: Fw: for lower gas prices
From: MOPARMARX@xxxxxxx
19. RE: Moron Needs Help!
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
20. Re: Fw: for lower gas prices
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:26:54 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
The batwing (GM term) or delta (Mopar term) air cleaners were all made by AC company and that is why they look similar: they ARE almost the same.
Wayne
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:32:32 EST
From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
Wayne:
Aren't the holes where the air cleaner is attached to the carb studs closer
together on the Cadillac?
Sherwood Kahlenberg
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:34:29 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
I don't actually know. They well could be. I did say they are "almost the same".
W
----- Original Message -----
From: SherwoodK@xxxxxxx
To: wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
Wayne:
Aren't the holes where the air cleaner is attached to the carb studs closer together on the Cadillac?
Sherwood Kahlenberg
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:17:32 -0500
From: "Johnnie Slayton" <Jslayton@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: batwing
According to my information the 56 Desoto batwing which looks like the
one on Ebay will not fit over chry. carbs as the spacing is
different,also G.M. batwing or Packard will not fit.Cadillac batwings
have two small holes on top for chrome " V ".I was very interested in
this carb-batwing set-up but I don't think the batwing which is
definitely not a chry.anyway will fit over carbs. Johnnie Slayton
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:44:11 EST
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: Inspection Services & Auction Results
Hi Group:
Just got home from the annual Atlantic City Classic Car Show and Auction.
Only 300 offered or sold was a nice '62 sport which went for $20,000.00.
While there, however, I ran across a service which you might find useful,
if you are looking to buy a car somewhere far from where you live. The
company is called "Buyer Services International, LLC," and they are headquartered
in Hartford, CT. Their website is at www.BuyerServicesInternational.com These
guys will inspect a car anywhere in the country for a set fee around $400.00
with six page report involving 100 questions and a dozen photographs of the
car. It could cost more if the car is really out in the boonies, as there is a
mileage charge for anywhere more than a 25 mile radius from one of their local
offices.
They also have another service, called "Hi Bid" www.Hi-Bid.com which
will track auction results at the push of a button. The cost is $30.00 per
year, and you can find the value of your car by auction (Barrett-Jackson versus
Kruse), by high price, by low price, or by almost any standard you wish. You
can also see auction results by make, model, price, or a variety of other
standards. This looks like a cheap way to keep abreast of what your cars are worth
in the auction market, and to let you know what is out there and for how much.
Just a thought in case y'all might be interested.
Pete Fitch
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:27:04 EST
From: pennsy300@xxxxxxx
Subject: February In Dayton
Almost 60 degrees here, so I took the D convert out for a spin. Top down?
But of course! It had't been started since late November, but it ran like a
charm. Not a drop of tranny fluid leaked out of the freshly resealed
Torqueflite. Damn, that's a great car! Sorry 'bout this, but I had to tell somebody.
McTaggart
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:31:03 -0600
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: February In Dayton
And we're all glad to see someone useing their "Beautiful brutes"!!
Enjoy, Ray
--
Ray Jones, Jones Ridge, in the Ouachita Mtns near Mena, Western Arkansas
> From: pennsy300@xxxxxxx
> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:27:04 EST
> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] February In Dayton
>
> Almost 60 degrees here, so I took the D convert out for a spin. Top down?
> But of course! It had't been started since late November, but it ran like a
> charm. Not a drop of tranny fluid leaked out of the freshly resealed
> Torqueflite. Damn, that's a great car! Sorry 'bout this, but I had to tell
> somebody.
> McTaggart
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
> To send a message to this group, send an email to:
> Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> For list server instructions, go to
> http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:57:47 EST
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: 1963/1964 Bumper Guards Needed
Hi Group:
Does anyone have a set of bumper guards for a J/K? I think they are the
same. They only have to be good enough for replating. I have a set but they
are very rusty and I am hoping for something better to have replated.
Thanks,
Pete Fitch
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:08:33 -0700
From: <john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: February In Dayton
I had to take my G convert for a ride today as well, but with the top up, as North of Boston it was barely 50. I just wanted to warm up the fluids while I had the chance, as March and April can both be iffy months for old cars.
We may still get a fair amount of snow in March, and everyone knows about April showers.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Jones [mailto:hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:31 PM
To: pennsy300@xxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] February In Dayton
And we're all glad to see someone useing their "Beautiful brutes"!!
Enjoy, Ray
--
Ray Jones, Jones Ridge, in the Ouachita Mtns near Mena, Western Arkansas
> From: pennsy300@xxxxxxx
> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:27:04 EST
> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] February In Dayton
>
> Almost 60 degrees here, so I took the D convert out for a spin. Top down?
> But of course! It had't been started since late November, but it ran like a
> charm. Not a drop of tranny fluid leaked out of the freshly resealed
> Torqueflite. Damn, that's a great car! Sorry 'bout this, but I had to tell
> somebody.
> McTaggart
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To send a message to this group, send an email to:
> Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> For list server instructions, go to
> http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:03:34 EST
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: E=Bay Name
Hi-
Are any of you using the name "300K" on e-bay? If so, please let me
know, so I don't jump on your bid.
Pete Fitch
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:30:01 -0800
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Moron Needs Help!
Was happily working in the warm sun on the '62 300 today when I stupidly
dropped a nut into that secret area where the intake meets the head (on the
drivers side).
It's the U-shaped opening in the center of the head/manifold.
Is there a secret to fishing things out of there? I have been trying small
magnets attached to fishing line, to no avail.
Any thoughts? Or do I need to pull the intake off?
Thanks!
Matt Allyn
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:32:12 -0500
From: "PaddyCaddy ." <paddycaddy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
I have compared the Caddy and C300 dual quad air cleaners side by side and
indeed they are different in contour and so on. But I think I recall that
they will both fit on the carburetors and are thus interchangeable for a
non-show application. Both the 55-57 Caddy and the 55-56 300's took a pair
of Carter 4 barrels as standard - and I THINK they were thus equally spaced
by the intake manifold. In 58 Caddy went over to the triple dual design
(three 2 barrels).
But alas - it was a long time ago when I did this.
Sean.
>From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <SherwoodK@xxxxxxx>
>CC: "Intl 300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
>Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:34:29 -0600
>
>I don't actually know. They well could be. I did say they are "almost the
>same".
>
>W
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SherwoodK@xxxxxxx
> To: wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Delta / Batwing AC air cleaners
>
>
> Wayne:
>
> Aren't the holes where the air cleaner is attached to the carb studs
>closer together on the Cadillac?
>
> Sherwood Kahlenberg
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:35:59 -0500
From: Nancy Kramer <nekramer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Inspection Services & Auction Results
Hello All,
Jeff Webster from this company has been advertising on my American Dream
Cars www.americandreamcars.com web site since July 2001. A text link for
his company is on each "cars for sale" detail page. Never one complaint in
all that time so he must be good. Believe me if any of my visitors had
trouble with this service we would hear about it.
In my experience this is an excellent company to do business with. I wish
I had other advertisers like this company.
Regards,
Nancy Kramer
At 12:44 PM 2/29/2004, moparpjf@xxxxxxx wrote:
>Hi Group:
>
> Just got home from the annual Atlantic City Classic Car Show and
> Auction.
> Only 300 offered or sold was a nice '62 sport which went for $20,000.00.
>
> While there, however, I ran across a service which you might find
> useful,
>if you are looking to buy a car somewhere far from where you live. The
>company is called "Buyer Services International, LLC," and they are
>headquartered
>in Hartford, CT. Their website is at
>www.BuyerServicesInternational.com These
>guys will inspect a car anywhere in the country for a set fee around $400.00
>with six page report involving 100 questions and a dozen photographs of the
>car. It could cost more if the car is really out in the boonies, as there
>is a
>mileage charge for anywhere more than a 25 mile radius from one of their
>local
>offices.
>
> They also have another service, called "Hi Bid" www.Hi-Bid.com which
>will track auction results at the push of a button. The cost is $30.00 per
>year, and you can find the value of your car by auction (Barrett-Jackson
>versus
>Kruse), by high price, by low price, or by almost any standard you wish. You
>can also see auction results by make, model, price, or a variety of other
>standards. This looks like a cheap way to keep abreast of what your cars
>are worth
>in the auction market, and to let you know what is out there and for how much.
>
>Just a thought in case y'all might be interested.
>
>Pete Fitch
>
>
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>
>
>
>To send a message to this group, send an email to:
>Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>For list server instructions, go to
>http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:41:33 -0800
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Moron Needs Help!
You could try to flush it out with a blast from an air hose, or bend a hook
out of some small gauge wire. Left to my own devices, I would just get
another nut to replace it and leave it there, it isn't going anywhere and
its presence down in that hole won't cause any problems.
Mike
At 04:30 PM 2/29/2004 -0800, jennifer allyn wrote:
>Was happily working in the warm sun on the '62 300 today when I stupidly
>dropped a nut into that secret area where the intake meets the head (on the
>drivers side).
>
>It's the U-shaped opening in the center of the head/manifold.
>
>Is there a secret to fishing things out of there? I have been trying small
>magnets attached to fishing line, to no avail.
>
>Any thoughts? Or do I need to pull the intake off?
>
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Allyn
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:07:45 EST
From: russellhousen@xxxxxxx
Subject: 1961 300G New Member
Hi,
I am new to the club, I just bought my first 300. Need help for a few things;
A steering wheel any condtion, just restorable, so that I can use mine as a
driver while the replacement is sent out to be recast.
Any Console parts as mine is scratched
Side Quarter Emblems
Steering Box
Any and all advise!
Thanks,
Russell
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:55:32 -0500
From: Michael & Joanne Casella <majj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: for lower gas prices
----- Original Message -----
From: ShockMe
To: shockme@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: FW: for lower gas prices
> Read on....Subject: GAS WAR
> > Join the resistance!!!!
> > I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer.Want
> > gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent,united
> > action. This makes MUCH MORE
> > SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going
> > around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because
> > they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
> > It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
> > BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.
> > Please read it and join with us!
> > By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super
> > cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town.
> > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to
> > think that the cost! of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
> > aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace....not
> > sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
> > need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas
> > come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!
> > And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our
> > cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
> > prices if we all act together to force a price war.
> > Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
> > from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they
> > are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they
> > reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to
> > have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas
> > buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep
> > reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
> > I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to
> > at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
> > more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
> > sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> > consumers! If those three million get excited and ! pass this on to ten
> > friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes
> > one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
> > Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. If you
> > don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is
> > send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician.
> > But I am ... so trust me on this one.)
> > How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten
> > more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think
you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference.
> > If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT
> > UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM
DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:27:54 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1961 300G New Member - reply
Hi Russell,
Welcome to the Club and to the listserver - online group.
Here's my personal reply to your specific queries; some other members might
have other insight:
1/ Steering wheel - you have two choices, as far as I am concerned: send
yours to Dennis Crooks at Quality Restorations
http://www.qualityrestorations.com/
for a complete R&R (expected cost about $1200.00 ? ) or wait awhile for
Michael Burke to get the 'Swedish Connection' rolling - when that happens,
your cost will be about $700.00 for an exchange wheel.
2/ Steering box : just take yours out and send to Steer & Gear, 1000
Barnett Rd., Columbus, Ohio, 43227, 1-800-253-4327 . I have used them many
times. Their turnaround is extremely quick. Your 300G should not be laid
up for more than two weeks.
BUT - how do you know the steering box is a problem? if you have excessive
play in the steering, it could be caused by something as dumb as a $5
bushing. Indeed, there is a rubber U-shaped bushing located between the
steering shaft and the box, where the two meet. To visually inspect it, you
will have to remove the steering shaft outer tube, to expose the inner tube.
E-mail me privately if you need instructions. When the rubber bushing wears
out, it can cause a LOT of play in the steering. New bushings can be
ordered from Gary Goers (www.garygoers.com)
3/ Side quarter emblems seem to be somewhat of a problem right now. Also
query Gary Goers as far as those.
4/ Console parts: Gary Goers sells the console inserts (ribbed stuff) ; as
far as the outer anodized aluminium runner / strips, the 6 pieces should be
taken off (4 long and two short butt-pieces) and sent to Marcos Cielak at
Ano-Brite: http://www.anobrite.com/ for polishing out the scratches, and
re-anodizing.
Hope this helps. Once again, welcome to the Club !
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:13:03 EST
From: MOPARMARX@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: for lower gas prices
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:40:05 -0800
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Moron Needs Help!
To all of you who have responded to me about this....
Thank you very much! You have all allowed me to feel much less foolish for
dropping a nut into the hole which will not be seen again until I pull the
motor apart again!
I am extremely happy that we are a part of this club, as you are all
incredibly helpful & knowledgeable! I only hope that when I begin the
restoration of our '55 Cadillac Eldorado, the Cadillac club is 50% as
helpful as you all are!
Thank you very much!!!!
Matt Allyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Apfelbeck [mailto:moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:42 PM
To: gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Moron Needs Help!
You could try to flush it out with a blast from an air hose, or bend a hook
out of some small gauge wire. Left to my own devices, I would just get
another nut to replace it and leave it there, it isn't going anywhere and
its presence down in that hole won't cause any problems.
Mike
At 04:30 PM 2/29/2004 -0800, jennifer allyn wrote:
>Was happily working in the warm sun on the '62 300 today when I stupidly
>dropped a nut into that secret area where the intake meets the head (on the
>drivers side).
>
>It's the U-shaped opening in the center of the head/manifold.
>
>Is there a secret to fishing things out of there? I have been trying small
>magnets attached to fishing line, to no avail.
>
>Any thoughts? Or do I need to pull the intake off?
>
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Allyn
To send a message to this group, send an email to:
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:39:04 -0800
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fw: for lower gas prices
Until I can go to the grocery store and see something besides a parking lot
full of SUV's, I will have no sympathy for those who wish to blame their
gasoline woes on the big bad oil companies.
I paid 35 cents per gallon for gasoline in 1957 when the average USA wage
was perhaps a 75 to 100 dollars per week. Now the average is probably
closer to 750 to a 1000 which is 10 times as large. Seems that gasoline has
gone up 5(or 6 in some areas) times(a large portion of that being tax
increases--or do none of your remember when you did not pay sales tax on
your gasoline-- from our out of control government and no one is calling
them greedy--such as some call the oil companies) and wages have gone up
some 10 times. Incidentally a new Corvette was about 3000 then and is
50,000 now. That is about 16 times.
I paid a 1000 dollar gas guzzler tax on my Jaguar XJR. Perhaps treating
SUV's and none business use Pick Up trucks the same as automobiles(also for
safety standards and requirements, bumper height standards, emissions) and
taxing them the same penalty would cure some of the foolish ardor for these
vehicles and leave enough fuel to go around so that we all may benefit with
lower fuel prices and help keep us out of foreign entanglements.
Yes before someone lets me know about the high fuel use of our 300's(and
other such old cars) they are not used on a regular basis and probably
contribute little to our increased overall fuel costs, smog and dependency
on foreign oil.
I just put on my cast iron jock strap to protect me from the wails that I am
sure are forthcoming. I am weary of the continuous fusillades against big
oil and the corporate greed they display everytime gasoline prices
increase(often for refinery problems, the world price of oil, stupid
government regulations on MTBE or Ethanol, cold weather, a ship sinking
somewhere etc). Another piece of advice for those who believe that the oil
companies are ripping you off. Invest your 401k and IRA monies in oil
stocks and with all your excess profits your fuel prices will not look so
bad.
We have seen the enemy and the enemy is us.....Pogo
Roger Schaaf
300 B Milpitas, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael & Joanne Casella" <majj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eladiodazed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ed_kehoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "DOUG
LEPAK" <stwheels@xxxxxxx>; "Donna Casella Zimmer" <mdccz@xxxxxxx>; "Chrysler
300" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "CARLOS GARCIA"
<carlos61760@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <brakehandle27@xxxxxxx>; <Batluvr@xxxxxxx>;
"Ann Marie Imbriale" <lakelandeastgs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Alice Wagner"
<awagner1031@xxxxxxxxxx>; "Adam C." <ihateprod@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<ACERANDY@xxxxxxx>; "Aa Aa" <hiotisk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:55 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Fw: for lower gas prices
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ShockMe
> To: shockme@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:05 PM
> Subject: FW: for lower gas prices
>
>
> > Read on....Subject: GAS WAR
>
> > > Join the resistance!!!!
>
> > > I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer.Want
>
> > > gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent,united
>
> > > action. This makes MUCH MORE
>
> > > SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was
going
>
> > > around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that
because
>
> > > they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy
gas.
>
> > > It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
>
> > > BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work.
>
> > > Please read it and join with us!
>
> > > By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is
super
>
> > > cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town.
>
> > > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to
>
> > > think that the cost! of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we
need to take
>
> > > aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
marketplace....not
>
> > > sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we
consumers
>
> > > need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas
>
> > > come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing
their gas!
>
> > > And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely
on our
>
> > > cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
>
> > > prices if we all act together to force a price war.
>
> > > Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY
gasoline
>
> > > from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL.
If they
>
> > > are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices.
If they
>
> > > reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But
to
>
> > > have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil
gas
>
> > > buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this
point...keep
>
> > > reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of
people!!
>
> > > I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it
to
>
> > > at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at
least ten
>
> > > more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches
the
>
> > > sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>
> > > consumers! If those three million get excited and ! pass this on to
ten
>
> > > friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it
goes
>
> > > one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
> > > Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. If
you
>
> > > don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do
is
>
> > > send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
mathematician.
>
> > > But I am ... so trust me on this one.)
>
> > > How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
ten
>
> > > more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
>
> > conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't
think
>
> you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a
difference.
>
> > > If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD
OUT
>
> > > UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM
>
> DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>
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