im with roger karlson !!!! ive heard about enough whining about how g/g has the temerity to charge for his services, as though every one of the whiners doesnt do the same, to pay for the hobby we all are involved in. it puts me in mind of the timme i offered to detail and document and supply brackets for the 64 k disc brake conversion and got whined and flamed on so bad that i withdrew the offer and have never made a similar offer, on anything, since; and expect that i never will, at least not to this audience. it left a bad taste with me. so many people expecting everything, for nothing; and theyll flame you down if you dont give it. well the answer is to not even let them know what they are missing. g/g has EVERY right to charge for his expertise, if he can get people to pay, it must be there. roger karlson has every right to his opinion, one in which i happen to concur. hey rog ! got a spare flame suit i can borrow?? JEFF tucson az. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]