Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!

[Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxx>]

Hi all;
As far as the designers go, I grew up with one of the top Chrysler
designers, Robert Hubbach. We went to school together from 3-4th grade thru
12th. His name is on the patent for the mini-van that saved Chrysler's ass.
He also designed a lot of the Viper and drew the original study for the
Atlantic Coupe that Bob Lutz claims as his "cocktail napkin" design. They
wanted him to go into management and he left for a consulting/designing
partnership, as he wanted only to draw/design. He was draged back (big
money) to fix the back half of the Viper when they went to the Roadster. His
original art work is sold each year at the B-J Auburn Auction. I think he
recently retired. Point being, we're 65ish, and graduated Hi school in
1956...when all the hot rods and mean street machines were being "borned".
Can't be many of the 50-60's guys left now....

We had a great thing going when all the top management were "car nutz", then
they cashed in their chips and sold the company out from under the
American buyers. So you'll see more and more of the Mercedes crap. Hell,
their best designs lost 2 world wars, so what do they know????

When the 300M came out, I went to the Baltimore New Car Show. Wore my 1 of 1
300 Club jacket with ALL the Letter Car Logos on the back, milled around for
an hour or more in the Chrysler area, and NO ONE asked me any thing about
it! Big 300 Logo on my back, and none of those Chrysler suits or any of the
salespeople from the Dealerships noticed (or cared).

Ray Jones....See ya in Battle Creek!

> From: doug_jones@xxxx
> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:30:39 -0600
> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
> 
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> My two cents is that, indeed, the design teams doing 2005 cars relate to
> letter cars (last one built 40 years prior) about the way Virgil Exner related
> to cars from 1915 (also 40 years prior to the C300). Which is to say, he did
> not, and they don't either. The confusion comes from the use of the name from
> a golden oldie and the 'pitch' involving the heritage of the Brutes.
> Personally, I have the ex-Jett 300M and find it to be an astonishingly good
> car with amazing room, handling, and comfort. But it has nothing in common
> with my '63 Pace Car, much less a letter car, except the name.
> 
> One must also consider that there is virually no market for a big 4 / 5 seat
> two door car. Chevy, with the Monte Carlo, is one of precious few building
> such a car today, and I don't get the idea that they are getting rich doing
> it.
> 
> But styles change, and the 4 seat coupe may make a comeback later on. I agree
> with the writer who was left cold by this new design and wanted the Hemi-C
> convertible. Ditto, brother!
> 
> Cheers,
> Doug Jones
> Boulder Creek, CA, a little too close to Jett Ranch when Lefty is selling
> stuff ...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dan300f@xxxx [mailto:dan300f@xxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
> 
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Now ya'll don't expect the designers to come up with something resembling
> past 300 letter cars when they do not even know what they are.
> 
> A couple of years ago, I went to the Auto Show in Los Angeles. I wore a
> sweat shirt with the 300F emblem painted on the front. I went up to
> Chrysler's sales desk and the first thing some salesman asked me was, "Is
> that a Mercedes?" I chewed his posterior out for not knowing the history of
> his product. I went around to other sales persons and not one of them knew
> what an early 300 letter car was, even though there were hundreds of pictures
> of letter cars making up a collage to advertise the 300M.
> 
> I would suspect that none of the designers were even in diapers when the
> last letter car was produced. I see pictures all the time of design teams
> for the Japanese cars in newspapers and magazines and none of them appear to
> be out of their 20's or early 30's.
> 
> So, how would one expect the design of a modern letter car to be anything
> other than folowing the lines of the look-a-like cars on the road today. The
> ony car I see on the raod today that even gives a hint of yesterday is the
> Thunderbird. I can visualize the '55-'57 Birds in the new design.
> 
> So, get you ass in gear Daimler!!!! Give us an appropriate design.
> 
> Enough fer now!
> 
> Dan Reitz
> Northridge, CA
> 300F
> 
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