A careful reading of my missive would have found the point that indeed if SUV's and like vehicles did not exist supplies would be far more ample then they are now. If all are vehicles maintained the fuel mileage of a Denali of about 10 mpg we would use as a nation 3 times the fuel as if they all averaged the 30 mpg of say a Honda Civic. I argue that this would change the lack of supply considerably and by extension the price the per gallon that all must pay, including the driver of the Honda who is not part of the problem. You are correct on the fuel economy comparison to the autos of the fifties. However I would not wish to go back to the fifties on fuel standards, safety standards, smog standards(just stand behind my 300 B when I fire it off one time and you would understand this). Now music from the fifties I could go for. I do not own an SUV either and the new cars that I have owned have been blessed with the gas guzzler tax. One of my points was that if this tax was applied to all gas guzzlers that this could influence some who buy gas for their grocery getter to other behavior. There is no excuse except some political favors that are repaid to give certain classes of vehicles exception from this tax. My other point was do not complain about gas prices and misdirect your anger at the oil companies. We all have the choice to cut our fuel expense in 1/2 if we wish. Buy the Honda. Whining about the oil companies will never give you a 50 percent savings(or even 5 percent for that matter). As for you trailer pullers, hunters and fisherman, skiers, business folks etc. I have no quarrel with your SUV or Pickup at all. It is those who use for their daily commute, pick up their kids at school, go to the grocery store and just generally cruise around is where I and others have the problem. If you all are going to blame the oil companies, I suggest that their are more effective solutions to the benefit of the rest of us. Take a look at this website for those who are interested. http://www.dealtime.com/xMPR-~PD-225690227585~PT-xMPR~RI-99952135812 Roger 300 B Milpitas, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheldon Wotring" <swotring@xxxx> To: "Chrysler 300" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Fw: for lower gas prices Of all the reasons for higher gas prices you list, I notice that shortage of supply is not one of them. So why do you have a problem with SUV's? Apparently if all SUV's disappeared it would not affect the gas prices anyway. Also their fuel usage is comparable to the average family sedan in the Fifties. I see them as an attempt to regain the feeling of security we had in our heavy Detroit iron before the government decided to redesign our cars for us. By the way, I do not own an SUV. Sheldon PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger <mailto:obiwan10@xxxx> Schaaf To: eladiodazed@xxxx <mailto:eladiodazed@xxxx> ; ed_kehoe@xxxx <mailto:ed_kehoe@xxxx> ; DOUG LEPAK <mailto:stwheels@xxxx> ; Donna Casella Zimmer <mailto:mdccz@xxxx> ; Chrysler 300 <mailto:chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; CARLOS <mailto:carlos61760@xxxx> GARCIA ; brakehandle27@xxxx <mailto:brakehandle27@xxxx> ; Batluvr@xxxx <mailto:Batluvr@xxxx> ; Ann Marie Imbriale <mailto:lakelandeastgs@xxxx> ; Alice <mailto:awagner1031@xxxx> Wagner ; Adam C. <mailto:ihateprod@xxxx> ; ACERANDY@xxxx <mailto:ACERANDY@xxxx> ; Aa Aa <mailto:hiotisk@xxxx> ; Michael <mailto:majj@xxxx> & Joanne Casella Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Fw: for lower gas prices Until I can go to the grocery store and see something besides a parking lot full of SUV's, I will have no sympathy for those who wish to blame their gasoline woes on the big bad oil companies. I paid 35 cents per gallon for gasoline in 1957 when the average USA wage was perhaps a 75 to 100 dollars per week. Now the average is probably closer to 750 to a 1000 which is 10 times as large. Seems that gasoline has gone up 5(or 6 in some areas) times(a large portion of that being tax increases--or do none of your remember when you did not pay sales tax on your gasoline-- from our out of control government and no one is calling them greedy--such as some call the oil companies) and wages have gone up some 10 times. Incidentally a new Corvette was about 3000 then and is 50,000 now. That is about 16 times. I paid a 1000 dollar gas guzzler tax on my Jaguar XJR. Perhaps treating SUV's and none business use Pick Up trucks the same as automobiles(also for safety standards and requirements, bumper height standards, emissions) and taxing them the same penalty would cure some of the foolish ardor for these vehicles and leave enough fuel to go around so that we all may benefit with lower fuel prices and help keep us out of foreign entanglements. Yes before someone lets me know about the high fuel use of our 300's(and other such old cars) they are not used on a regular basis and probably contribute little to our increased overall fuel costs, smog and dependency on foreign oil. I just put on my cast iron jock strap to protect me from the wails that I am sure are forthcoming. I am weary of the continuous fusillades against big oil and the corporate greed they display everytime gasoline prices increase(often for refinery problems, the world price of oil, stupid government regulations on MTBE or Ethanol, cold weather, a ship sinking somewhere etc). Another piece of advice for those who believe that the oil companies are ripping you off. Invest your 401k and IRA monies in oil stocks and with all your excess profits your fuel prices will not look so bad. We have seen the enemy and the enemy is us.....Pogo Roger Schaaf 300 B Milpitas, California To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm Yahoo! Groups Links