Re: [Chrysler300] Hood Pad 300 G

["Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Did any build sheet for a B ever show wire wheels?

I would assume that the repro hubcaps would suffer a demerit in judging, 
would this be correct?  A mere tap of the fingernail on a hubcap will tell 
the difference from the real ones, or at least for the repros that I have 
seen.

Would a car painted with other then the original enamels of the 50's suffer 
a point loss in judging or are waivers given for lacquers or current 
polyurethane's?

I believe my questions revolve around just how severe the judging of 
Chrysler 300's be compared to "factory" build sheets.  In the Corvette world 
they are so anal that if you do not have the proper AC spark plug or your 
finish is to nice, or no overspray on the exhaust manifold then you lose 
points.

Wire wheels on 56 Chryslers were Chrysler wheels, installed as a dealer 
installed option and were extremely common.  Any half way sharp judge at a 
300 concour could find enough wrong with most 900 point or better cars as 
far as absolute factory correctness to turn them into 7 to 800 point cars. 
Tires, seat belts, brake shoes, paints, fan belts, batteries, windshields 
and glass, upholstery materials, refinished steering wheels, ANY repro part 
etc etc.

Corvette organizations can do this because their are hundreds of thousands 
of Corvettes and finding distinctions among them is tough in judging.  I do 
not believe that 300's have that luxury or need.

Roger Schaaf
300 B
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Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Hood Pad 300 G


>
> A couple of issues here.  First, if a 300B came from the factory with 
> wires and it is in judging at a Chrysler 300 Club International meet then 
> there is no issue.  If the wheels were added later the car is not correct 
> as to the build sheet.
>
> Wire wheels were offered from 1953 through 1956 and there were three 
> variations that I know of.   For sometime I though they were offered from 
> 1951 up but Sherwood Kahlenberg pointed out to me that it was 1953 through 
> 1956.   Thanks Sher, as I've always said our cars are a continuing 
> learning process and no one has all of the answers.
>
> 1.    Plymouth/Dodge with 48 spokes and the lacing was on the outer lip of 
> the wheel like the T-Bird wires.
>
> 2.    DeSoto/Chrysler also with 48 spokes but the lacing is further back 
> in the wheel and this is also wider than the Plymouth/Dodge.  Both are a 
> 15", 5 bolt on a 4 1/2" pattern.
>
> 3.    Imperial wheels were 52 spokes with the same lacing as the 
> DeSoto/Chrysler wheel but were wider.  These were 15" on a 5 1/2"bolt 
> pattern.  Also they were used on DeSoto and Chrysler wagons, but I'm not 
> sure about Plymouth and Dodge.  I've read and heard stories about a 
> bulletin sent out via Chrysler that these wheels would not be offered 
> after a certain date in 1955 on Imperials and Wagons.  My guess is it had 
> something to do with a weight issue regarding these particular cars.
>
> Most of the repro wires for these cars I've seen are all done in 52 spoke 
> version.  I have no idea why.  A few months ago I decided to install wires 
> on our '55 NYer T&C and was lucky enough to find a set of newly finished 
> correct original wheels.
>
> Last, a subject that has not been covered in any of this is the caps for 
> all of these wheels.  There are two sources that I know of.  Bob Bornstein 
> in Southern California was offering them and the product was excellent. 
> Now Coker Tire has them available.  It is my opinion that Bob's are nicer 
> but at 60 mph you can't see the difference.  If you have a set of 
> originals don't spend the time and money to replate them.  The repros are 
> a far better way to go.
>
> John Lazenby
> Southern California, just minutes from Disneyland
> 1955 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe Town & Country
> 1955 Imperial Newport
> 1955 Chrysler C300
> 1956 Chrysler 300B
> 1957 Chrysler 300C Coupe
> 1960 Chrysler 300F Coupe
> 1963  Volkswagen Beetle
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <barber@xxxxxxxxx>; "Kathy Rook" <kmrook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <moparpjf@xxxxxxx>; <paradise42@xxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Hood Pad 300 G
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>>
>> It is suggested that the wire spoke wheels are correct from 1953 to 1956.
>> My understanding is that having a 56 B judged at a Chrysler 300 Club meet
>> will throw some into a heated dispute as these wheels are claimed by some 
>> to
>> not be correct on a 56.
>>
>> Roger Schaaf
>> 300 B Calyfornea
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kathy Rook" <kmrook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <barber@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: <moparpjf@xxxxxxx>; <paradise42@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
>> <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Hood Pad 300 G
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Rich,  I have approximately 44 Mopar original wire wheels; Dodge has 48
>> > spokes coming to the outside of the rim.  Chrysler l953-l956 correct
>> > only for these years have 48 spokes.  Imperial with the larger center
>> > hole, used l953-1956 only have 52 spokes.  Sincerely,  Don Rook
>> >
>> > Rich Barber wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I believe the hood pad would absorb more sound (and dirt) if the fuzzy
>> >> side was facing the engine.  My C-300 has the under side of the hood
>> >> undercoated, just to be different.  It probably does absorb some sound
>> >> and might help prevent drumming and oil canning.  I didn't do it!
>> >>
>> >> The big white brute took three awards at the Good Guy all American Get
>> >> Together in Pleasanton, CA today.  A nice birthday present as the car
>> >> was 50 years old last week.
>> >>
>> >> As usual, our car was one of three MoPars in a sea of bellybutton 
>> >> cars.
>> >> Also, as usual, lots of interest from car guys of all ages.  Made
>> >> contact with the new owner of the Pahrump Tango Red '55.  He says it 
>> >> is
>> >> VIN #1015.  Several of you have commented on this modified car that 
>> >> has
>> >> a 392, air, disc brakes(?), improper wheels & tires.  The new owner
>> >> lives in nearby Livermore and we will try to get him into the club 
>> >> where
>> >> he can get resto-religion (he is a pastor!).  We will try to show them
>> >> together in the local shows and I hope to bring him and the car to 
>> >> South
>> >> Lake Tahoe.
>> >>
>> >> Question of the day:  How many spokes on the original Motor Wheel 
>> >> brand
>> >> wire wheels on the 1955 C-300?  Mine has 48 and I see others have 52.
>> >>
>> >> Rich Barber
>> >> Brentwood, CA
>> >> 1955 C-300
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >In a message dated 03/20/2005 7:37:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> >> >
>> >> >Steve  Estok and I have a difference of opinion about the 
>> >> >installation
>> >> >of a
>> >> >hood  pad. I thought the fabric side faced the engine and Steve 
>> >> >thinks
>> >> >the
>> >> >hard  side faces the engine.
>> >> >
>> >> >I have no picture references other than the  archive shots of a 300g
>> >> >engine
>> >> >compartment. It looks like the fuzzy side  is out.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I believe that the fuzzy side faces the engine.  That is the way mine
>> >> >was
>> >> >and the club judges didn't note that it was incorrect.  Gil is the 
>> >> >guy
>> >> >to ask.
>> >> >
>> >> >Pete Fitch
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