Re: [Chrysler300] Lake Tahoe controversy

[Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

As an aside, there were some that had "Summer" bodies and "Winter" 
bodies for their Duseys. The Chauffeur would change them at the 
beginning of the season. But they were registered wit a chassis number, 
not the body number.

Ray


On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Roger Schaaf wrote:

> Let us compare this to medical advances that are current and are to 
> come.
>
>  I would suggest that your brain could be compared to an automobiles 
> VIN.
>
>  If you were to replace virtually any of your physical body 
> parts(except of
>  course the brain) via either current or future technology, it would 
> still be
>  you, as long as your brain(where your soul--for the believers-- and/or
>  consiciousness reside) then I argue that you are still you.
>
>  The same could be said of the VIN. As long as it is legitimate and is
>  posted to a body/chassis that in all other regards would be 
> indentical to a
>  "factory" 300 then it is a 300. In particular, if the creator of this
>  reconstituted 300 did it in absolute secrecy, who would be the wiser 
> and how
>  could this feat of alchemy be detected.
>
>  Therefore should a charlatan who is able to do this magic 
> anonomousely be
>  rewarded for his efforts beyond what a more open and candid restorer 
> did in
>  bringing back from the dead a VIN number from an otherwise destroyed 
> and
>  lost 300? In simpler terms, how many of you have 300's parked in your
>  garages that may have already enjoyed this resurrection and you or no 
> one
>  else is the wiser?
>
>  Some of you are probably of an age where you remember the Dusenberg. 
> Many
>  times(most??) the chassis was built by the factory and the buyer then
>  recruited a "coach builder" to build a body. These were and are 
> considered
>  "real" Dusenbergs by all who follow this Marquee. Often a later 
> buyer or
>  sometimes even the original owner would have a change of heart about 
> the
>  look of a Dusey they may own. They then would re-body this chassis to
>  another body, often by a different coach builder.
>
>  I do not know for certain, but do suspect that these are accepted as 
> real
>  Duzzzie's and collectors of this Marque accept them as such.
>
>  There were very few of our favorite vehicle produced, many were 
> destroyed or
>  lost over the years. To see how many angels can dance on the head of 
> a pin
>  in seach of correctness serves none of us well. This is a hobby for
>  many/most/all of us, not a business or investment. That is why I 
> have a
>  Torqueflight in my B and now wishing(after Lake Tahoe) that I had 
> done disc
>  brakes last year when I replaced all my wheel cylinders. Next time I 
> will
>  have disc brakes. Someday a future obsessive owner can install a 
> Powerflite
>  and drum brakes. Meanwhile no one is hurt and one more accurate B 
> will
>  remain for posterity.
>
>  Roger Schaaf
>  Somewhat correct 300 B
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: <john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>  To: <dan300f@xxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:18 PM
>  Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Lake Tahoe controversy
>
>
>  >I think the definition of 'clone' needs to be examined, too.
>  >
>  > The 'cloned' 440 six pack and 426 Hemi 'Cuda and Challenger cars I 
> have
>  > seen still retain their original 'N' code 383 VIN numbers. Those 
> are
>  > clones. They no longer match the configuration that left the 
> factory on
>  > the build date.
>  >
>  > What we are talking about here is an original car that needs 
> extensive
>  > metal replacement due to rust or accident, and will also retain its
>  > original VIN, albeit one that matches the actual configuration of 
> the
>  > finished product as it left the factory.
>  >
>  > There must be some difference between these two scenarios, isn't 
> there?
>  >
>  > John
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>  > Behalf Of dan300f@xxxxxxx
>  > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:44 PM
>  > To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Lake Tahoe controversy
>  >
>  > Hi all:
>  >
>  > As most members are, I for one am against cloned 300's being pawned 
> off as
>  > "real" 300's. In order for the club to determine what the rules 
> should be
>  > for
>  > cloned cars, perhaps we should first find out what constitutes 
> illegal
>  > cloning.
>  > I suggest as a first step, the club invite the Michigan Attorney 
> General's
>  > office to give their opinion after an examination of Mr. Burke's 
> car. If
>  > it is
>  > deemed to be an illegal clone, case closed. If it is deemed to be 
> a clone
>  > but not illegal as far as the AG's office is concerned, then the 
> club must
>  > make
>  > some decisions and I feel we have the right people as officers and
>  > directors
>  > to make those decisions.
>  >
>  > Dan Reitz
>  > Northridge, CA
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