Re: RE: [Chrysler300] C-300 value re colors??

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   There was a recession in '57 ( the year I graduated from high school ) that didn't help sell
   higher priced cars.

   Jim Faber, 90F in South Carolina
> 
> From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2007/08/01 Wed PM 05:18:17 EST
> To: us@xxxxxxxxxx,  obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx,  C300@xxxxxxx,  Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,  john@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] C-300 value re colors??
> 
> And is it true by 1957, red 300s were hard to sell because they stood out 
> more easily for speed cops to notice, and you then got more tickets?!
> Certainly white cars (and 300s) do seem to blend in more. And I suppose 
> speed cops are sort of human ordinary type people re noticing what others 
> notice re color !!!?
> 
> Or could the 'not many factory red 300Cs were built/sold' fact be linked to 
> the fact (I think) that a fair few were bought new by doctors - your doctor 
> may have looked more like a doctor turning up in a non red 300 !??? Or maybe 
> just the '57 red was a bit to oddball, non traditional, for car buyers?
> 
> Anyone out there throw in their 2 bobs worth re what is fact/fiction, or 
> 'old wives tales' as some say.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> >From: "Dan Elliott" <us@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: "Roger Schaaf" 
> ><obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>,<C300@xxxxxxx>,<Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"johnl" 
> ><john@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??
> >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:13:16 -0600
> >
> >I was told people in the South don't like black cars because they are too
> >hot.  Not
> >true with 300's?
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> >Behalf Of Roger Schaaf
> >   Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:29 PM
> >   To: C300@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; johnl
> >   Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??
> >
> >
> >   John:
> >
> >   I did not mean to imply that this car came from the factory with no
> >options and I am not aware that Mr. Astor(current owner of this car) is
> >claiming it to be as it came from the factory. If options were in place and
> >then removed by some owner, then it now is a zero option(or more correctly,
> >without options) car. I am aware that some in our organization consider 
> >this
> >to be a felony of the highest order(forgetting for a moment that a
> >subsequent owner can at his option bring it back to "factory") and others
> >merely wish to enjoy their automobiles to be the way they want them to 
> >be--I
> >replaced my miserable Powerflight with a Torqueflight and sin of all sins
> >replaced the bias tires(hell they were Remington L 78's anyway and even
> >worse they were DOT approved) with Diamondback radials(safety and comfort
> >being more important to me then losing a couple of points on some judged
> >event that I never expect to experience anyhow). I consider my car to be 
> >for
> >my driving enjoyment and casual showing rather than a 100 point trailer
> >queen that between shows merely deteriorates in my garage. The next owner
> >can do as he wishes,,,easily even shove the miserable Powerflight back into
> >it if desired. I also own an old Corvette and am a member of NCRS(Corvette
> >owner's really anal organization that makes our club--or most any other
> >club-- appear truly car enthusiast friendly) and I have installed a Doug
> >Nash 5 speed, 1987 16 inch wheels, and a 500 hp 400 ci small block in it. 
> >It
> >of course drives some members around the bend but its my car and I enjoy it
> >the way it is and that it will turn 12 second quarter miles thru the 
> >exhaust
> >and IMHO looks very nice. It too has no issues that some future owner 
> >cannot
> >deal with if he wishes.
> >
> >   I truly wonder just how much a modified car really loses in value 
> >compared
> >to a totally stock(but likely way over restored) car. I suppose you could
> >deduct a certain amount for the labor and parts required to take it back to
> >stock and most bidders can easily take that into consideration when bidding
> >if a "stock" car is their desire. But what I have noted at Barrett and 
> >other
> >auctions is that the well over restored cars always seem to bring the big
> >bucks. The as factory "stock" cars when seen under the bright lights just 
> >do
> >not seem to excite the bidder's paddles to go up as much(3 million dollar
> >Plymouths and Corvette clones the exceptions). Also wonder how many Pebble
> >Beach Duisenberg's or old Ferrari's are as "factory" when now shown.
> >
> >   I am fairly certain that you and most others of our members probably 
> >feel
> >as I do on this issue. Else we would not see on our owner's automobiles:
> >radial and/or DOT tires, disc brakes, added options, wire wheels, Petronix
> >ignitions, Champion spark plugs, 2 stage polyurethane paints, Goer's(and
> >others) interiors, after market windshields, and of course not to the
> >mention all the cars with perfect door gaps, pristine paint jobs with no
> >flaws or orange peel(or have we forgotten just how miserable the paint was
> >on some of these old enamel cars?) and undercarriage suspensions, frames,
> >engine compartment components all of which are bead blasted and painted or
> >more likely powdercoated to perfection---imagine the expense to take this
> >back to factory "stock"---.
> >
> >   Oh, yes I was aware that this car began life in Platinum. I too happen 
> >to
> >believe that there is not a prettier 300 to be found be seen anywhere then 
> >a
> >red C 300 in Tango Red(especially if well done) so I can fully sympathize
> >with Bill Madden's motives(removing PS if that was done, aside)..
> >
> >   If you really want to go crazy, check out this website to see what was
> >done to Gary Meadors 300 B by Boyd Coddington. I was parked next to Gary at
> >a local MOPAR show. I loved the car. This one however would be a challenge
> >to take back to "stock" I suppose.
> >
> >
> >http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13490&posts=9&m
> >id=75775
> >
> >   Roger Schaaf
> >   300 B Calyfornua
> >
> >   .
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: johnl
> >   To: C300@xxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Roger Schaaf
> >   Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:50 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??
> >
> >   Hi Roger and all,
> >
> >   I feel it necessary to clear the air here. Your statement reads as: "It 
> >is
> >a zero option car, no radio,no heater, no pw, ps, pb, nada nada." The red
> >'55 you speak of was originally not a red car and did have at least some of
> >the options that it no longer possesses. It is examples like this that 
> >after
> >a period of time are represented as a correct factory car when in fact they
> >are not.
> >
> >   Recently I've heard that this very car is on display in a large 
> >collection
> >in Southern California and is represented as a correct factory example, 
> >thus
> >the misinformation has already begun. As to value I personally would not
> >rate a modified example anywhere close to a accurately restored car as it
> >came from the factory.
> >
> >   I have verified the information stated above regarding the example you
> >speak of with Gil Cunningham who does the Microfilm Research Archives for
> >the Chrysler 300 Club International.
> >
> >   John Lazenby
> >
> >   1955 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe Town & Country
> >   1955 Imperial Newport
> >   1955 Chrysler C300 Tango Red
> >   1956 Chrysler 300B Cloud White
> >   1957 Chrysler 300C Coupe Raven Black
> >   1960 Chrysler 300F Coupe Alaskan White
> >   1963 Volkswagen Beetle Black
> >   2001 BMW ///M5 (A Modern Super Car)
> >   http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=18
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Roger Schaaf
> >   To: C300@xxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:18 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??
> >
> >   Timo Tanskanen would be as good as you will ever find in Calyfornua.
> >However you certainly will be looking at a 100k plus and that would be a
> >bargain to have one of the best. I followed very closely the restoration of
> >a red 55 that he did for a close friend(Bill Madden) of mine. The car is
> >superb. It is a zero option car, no radio, no heater, no pw, ps, pb, nada
> >nada.
> >
> >   Timo is now just finishing up for Bill, a 59 black Crown Imperial
> >convertible that will have its first showing at Carmel(invitation only) 
> >next
> >month during the 2 weeks of annual Monterey festivities. I believe that 
> >this
> >car will be the finest Imperial to be found anywhere.
> >
> >   You are usually far better off to find a finished car unless you enjoy 
> >the
> >often frustrating birthing process and can willingly endure the death of a
> >thousand knives as you write the checks and tell the white lies to your
> >spouse about how much this is really going to cost.
> >
> >   Roger Schaaf
> >   300 B Calyfornua
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Rich Barber
> >   To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 5:50 PM
> >   Subject: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??
> >
> >   Any theories on value of a bona fide 1955 Chrysler C-300, rusty, no
> >engine,
> >   most glass good, interior "there"-but ratty, has title? A club member 
> >has
> >   it and is sorta thinking $5K-I'm south of that.
> >
> >   And, if I get it, where/who might do a complete body-off-frame resto. On
> >the
> >   left coast. And, of course, I'd need an engine, '55NY block OK for
> >starter,
> >   but would eventually want the 3NEblock, carbs, manifold & batwing.
> >
> >   C-300'ly,
> >
> >   Rich Barber
> >
> >   Brentwood, CA
> >
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