another thing i just thought about is: I wonder if not having the plate in there will affect the forward/backward shift of the tranny, affecting how it sits in the trans mount. I mean theres probably a little wiggle room anyway , but something to think about . neal zimmerman, eugene oregon ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.