RE: Inner and Outer Seal failure- Rear end- 64 Plymouth

["Dennis C." <dennis.2914@xxxxxxxxx>]

You might have damaged them but it does not sound right that the springs 
were coming off.  I don't recall ever having a problem with springs 
coming off, maybe something wrong with the seals to begin with.

I don't recall what brand I used but just got them at Napa.

Dennis C.

waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks everyone. The seals are in correctly, spring sides towards the 
> 3rd member. When I put these seals in, I took the springs off and put 
> them back on when I'd driven the seals in, cause they kept popping out 
> and I had to retrieve them from the axle tubes. I did grease the large 
> bearings, one still had a lot of grease in it, the other had pretty much 
> washed out with oil. 
> 
> I will have to assume that I damaged the seals putting the axles in. 
> I'll get someone to help me slide them in this time, see if that helps. 
> I also am lucky to have a spare complete 323 rear end that came out of a 
> wrecked car with 35,000 miles on it. The receipts showed the car had to 
> be repainted once (single owner car) because he had it washed and waxed 
> weekly at the dealership, wore through the paint. If I can't get seals 
> to work correctly the second time I install them, I'll put the spare 
> rear end in, as is (+) a brake job, and figure the bearings and seals 
> are fine unless they prove otherwise. 
> 
> I think what's so frustrating about this is that I did this several 
> times as an 18-20 year old when I'd swap my 323s for some 488s to go 
> street racing, never remember seals failing like this. 
> Butch 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MO ( Steve Mick)" <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx 
> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 2:22:29 PM 
> Subject: Re: Inner and Outer Seal failure- Rear end- 64 Plymouth 
> 
> 
> And on 64-earlier, the rear wheel bearing must be packed with grease 
> like 
> the front hub bearings...................MO 
> 
> {Steve Mick} 
> http://stevemick1964dodge.shutterfly.com/pictures/5 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Pettigrew" <dodger7998@xxxxxxx> 
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> 
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:32 PM 
> Subject: Re: Inner and Outer Seal failure- Rear end- 64 Plymouth 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > A seal is a seal,,,,, if does not seal then it is bad,,,,, the inner 
> > seal 
> > is to stop all oil from getting past it,? you did not by chance put the 
> > seal 
> > in backward did you, the outer seal is to keep the grease on the 
> > bearing, 
> > and the dust from the brakes from getting to the bearing,,,,,,, 
> > you also have to be careful when installing the axle after the inner 
> > seal 
> > has been installed, they will not handle the axle shaft being slid down 
> > them 
> > while installing it,,,,, 
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 5/6/2011 3:02:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Okay, so when I went through my 64 Sport Fury I got a couple of years 
> > ago, 
> > I rebuilt the rear brakes, put in new rear axle bearings as well as the 
> > inner and outer seals. The seals I put in leaked, on both sides, ruining 
> > 
> > the 
> > brake shoes. I had a difficult time installing the inner seals even 
> > though 
> > I have what I think is the correct Miller driver # ?-839. After ruining 
> > a 
> > few inner seals, I thought I got it right. While taking it all apart 
> > today, 
> > I don't see any apparent problems with the seal faces. 
> > 
> > So, I've taken the rear axles out to take a look. when I pulled the 
> > first 
> > axle, I got about 2 cups of rear end oil on the ground. I see that the 
> > oil 
> > is sitting level with the bottom of the seal as it sits in the axle. In 
> > other words, the axle tube is full of oil up to the bottom edge of the 
> > seal. 
> > Did I simply overfill the rear end when I refilled it? The SM says the 
> > rear 
> > end takes 4 pints, but what does that look like from the end of the axle 
> > 
> > tube ? I used what I thought was the correct rule of thumb when filling 
> > it, 
> > filled it till it touched the tip of my finger with my finger in the 
> > fill 
> > hole, bent at the first joint. 
> > 
> > Second, how does the large bearing at the end of the axle get it's 
> > lubrication? Is it supposed to be bathed in rear end oil, which doesn't 
> > sound 
> > right, as it's sandwiched between the inner and outer seal. Am I 
> > supposed 
> > to 
> > pre-grease it and it stays lubed with that, or is some oil supposed to 
> > get 
> > past the inner seal and lube it. 
> > 
> > Hope these questions are clear. Thanks/Butch 
> > 
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