RE: IML: correct carb for '67?

I can’t help you with information about A-134, except that that particular carburetor (4327S) was ONLY used on the non-Imperial, automatic transmission, high-performance 440s, according to the 1967 parts book.

I find no reference to “A-134” in the parts book.

The CAP cars have a different distributor – the CAP cars used a 2642 816, while the non CAP cars used a 2642 730.

The air cleaner covers and filters have different part numbers, but I don’t know what is different about them. I wasn’t even aware there was a difference until I just looked in the parts book! There is a PCV connection to the snorkel, but I thought they all had that – but maybe I’ve never seen a non-CAP car; that wouldn’t affect the filter element, I don’t think.

My 4 67-68 cars are all California cars, so they all have CAP – I have nothing to compare with for a non-CAP car.

I don’t know of any further differences between the CAP and non-CAP cars. The camshafts were the same, for instance.

The 67 blocks were not stamped with the VIN, correct.

I don’t have a parts book for the 300L, so I don’t know what carb was used on it, but I rather doubt it would have had the same tag number if it came from a 2 year earlier car – in my experience, the Carter tab numbers increase every year, even if there is very little difference in the carburetors, and I can’t imagine that the carburetors were identical on a 413 to ones from a two year later 440.

If you don’t have the correct AFB, I’d agree with building up the 4327S for a trial run on the Imperial. I don’t know what the difference was – but it was set up for a hotter cam and lower intake manifold vacuum, so chances are it is going to run a slightly lean mixture – but you can always play with the metering rods and float levels to adjust for that, somewhat. The parts book will tell you what metering rods and jet sizes were correct, and most likely you can come pretty close by picking through your stack of AFBs.

If you come across an Auto-Pilot, let me know and we’ll see if you can come up with all the pieces – there are many, many pieces, and since I would like to add one to a car which never had one, I‘ll need them all!

Dick Benjamin

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Dick (and everyone else):

Thanks for the info. This is like forensic science, trying to determine past history from present evidence! Knowing my father, it sure wouldn't suprise me if he had pulled the Holley (if that's what was on it) and just put that Carter on there - sounds like what many people might do.

I am 95% sure that the engine is from our old '67 Imp - I'm pulling it in a few weeks and will get the block # from it to help confirm. Is there any way to determine (with engine & trans. only) if it had the CAP system? Linkage, brackets, other telltale clues? I thought I had noticed other comments regarding the Holleys with the fuel line on a different side? The '67 blocks didn't have the VIN # on them, if I'm correct.

There's really no reason why I shouldn't rebuild the Carter 4327S and put it on, is there? The original 413 for the 300L has long since been sold in my brother's '67 Charger, so I'll never have a true numbers matching 300L anyway - that Carter should work fine?

"The Basement" holds 5 AFBs, 3 AVSs, 3 Holleys, and I didn't bother to count the Thermo Quads. All in different states - from totally complete, to in pieces. (Did I mention pack-rat?) The closest Carter # that I could find to the '67, was that 4327S.

Lastly, what does that "A-134" mean? Is that a designation for High Performance? I'm waiting for my '67 shop manual to arrive in the mail.

As far as an Auto-Pilot is concerned - it is VERY possible that there is one down there. It will take me quite some time to get through everything in "The Basement", but I will keep a look out for one as I go. I'm pretty sure he took a lot of stuff off that old '67 (sorry, it's gone), in fact, he put the driver's side, power seat into the 300L. I'm also guessing that there should be some stuff from our '72 Imp there too.

I'll keep everyone posted on discoveries - ask for specifics like Dick did, and that will help guide me. Thanks again, Dan

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From: Dick Benjamin

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:37 AM

Subject: RE: IML: correct carb for '67?

If the car was a Cleaner Air Package (CAP) car, it would have come with a 4312S. If it did not have the CAP package, it would have come with a Holley R3667A (my sympathies).

The 4327S was used on the 440s in the lesser cars without CAP, if they had the “high performance” option with automatic transmission, but it was not original equipment for any Imperial, according to the parts book.

If you come across a complete Auto-Pilot for a 67/68, I’d appreciate a chance to buy it from you.

Dick Benjamin

63,67,68,81 Imps and a few other old clunkers

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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 7:10 AM
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Subject: IML: correct carb for '67?

First time caller / long time reader. By the way, great website, great people, invaluable info, I'm sending a check to help out with the costs.

Here are a few "tech" questions:

My '67 Crown Coupe 440 cid has a Carter AVS #4635S on it currently. Based on info from "tocmp.com", this carb belongs on a 1968 Dodge 383 w/ AC & an A/T. It just doesn't work right either.

Q-1: Can anyone confirm the correct carburetor and # that belongs on a '67 Crown Coupe? There was a Holley # 4160-C used in '67, and I believe mostly Carter AFB's, used as the factory carbs. "thecarburetorshop.com" lists (in their kits section) 6 different Carter AFB's.

Q-2: Our website has great info and a description of the "C.A.P." system (which would cover 4 of the 6 choices). What does the "A-134" (which covers the other 2 choices) engine designation mean?

Q-3: I do have a Carter AFB 4327S in the basement (along with about 15 other late '60's - early '70's Mopar carbs). "thecarburetorshop.com" lists this as the carb for the A-134 engine. Is this right for a 1967 Crown?

By the way, "the basement" is FULL of '60's-'70's Mopar parts (my late Father's lifelong pack-rat efforts). EVERTHING from brakes to engines to carbs to interiors and on and on and on. I have taken over the restoration of his 1965 300L, which has the engine from our old '67 Crown Coupe - hence the question regarding carbs. As I figure out what is in "The Basement", I will offer it to the club first. I promise I won't just rent a dumpster (or two) and toss it! I know how hard some of the "correct" stuff is to find!

Any info on the carbs would help.

Dan Richardson

'67 Crown Coupe (engine and trans)

'72 LeBaron (probably some of it left down there)

'65 300L (with the heart and soul of an Imperial)