The confusion comes in mixing car LINE and car BODY. Although Chrysler offered many car LINES, they shared car BODIES. General Motors and Ford also had/have many car lines and share car bodies. General Motors followed Chrysler's lead in using a body for more than one car line with the introduction of the A and B bodies for 1937. By 1950 even the Cadillac 75 was based on the corporate C body. For the Chrysler Corporation, the first digit of the 1960-1980 VIN was for the car LINE, and not the car BODY. Thus your 1972 Satellite was the "R" car LINE - it was actually based on the "B" BODY. Your Charger was also based on the "B" BODY, but it was the "X" car LINE. (Chrysler used letters in 1958 and then numbers to 1963, then numbers or letters in 1964-65.) The New Yorker was never a "D" body as it never used the 1957-66 Imperial body, which was the "D" body. The 1967-75 Imperials were based on Chrysler Corporation's "C" BODY, although they were "Y" car LINE. As to the second letter, that referred to the trim level within the car line. The levels of trim ran from "E" (Economy), "L" (Low), "M" (Medium), "H" (High) and "P" (Premium). Mopar also used "S" (Special) at either end of the price range. "K" denoted Police Special, "T" was for Taxi and "O" for Super Stock. Bill Vancouver, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken & Tracie" <kjosephson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: IML: The Alphabet Soup of Designations > Dave is correct. > > Imperials are "D" bodies. On another list, there was some debate as to whether or not some New Yorkers were also "D" bodies like Imperials or if they were also "C" bodies as Newports were. Some > people believe Imperials became C bodies after they adopted unibody construction in 1967. Others debate whether or not E bodies are merely short wheel base B bodies, so we aren't alone in these > debates. :-) > > Calling Imperials "Y bodies" strikes me funny. Nobody ever ever calls my '72 Satellite Sebring an "R body" because its V.I.N. begins with R. Nor has anybody ever referred to the '68 Charger R/T I > once owned as an "X body" because of that letter's use as the lead off in the V.I.N. Both are B bodies. > > One friend, familar with Mopar's designation system, was surprised to find Imperials V.I.N.s also used the "L", "M" and "P" second letter to identify the price class. As far as he's concerned, ALL > Imperials are P (Premium.) :-) > > Ken Josephson > '68 Crown Four Door > '72 Plymouth Satellite Sebring > '59 Plymouth Suburbans (two) > '59 Impala > '66 C-10 > > > > >