Re: IML: mistaking NYBs
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Re: IML: mistaking NYBs



Clint: I sort of travel in both worlds, since I was a member of the Cadillac LaSalle Club for many years, and have a 67 Cadillac Coupe right now, along with my '53 Imperial Custom.

Don't forget that GM got the drop on Chrysler with their 1949 OHV Cadillac and Olds engines. Of course, Chrysler more than made up for this with the Hemi.

Chrysler build quality was pretty iffy, even for Imperial, in the late '50s. I would have to put Cadillac ahead here. Would rate Chrysler build quality superior to GM (and thus Cadillac; few Imperials in this time frame) from 1946 through 1952, and roughly equal through 1956.

The "outside the box" cars that Chrysler (K T Keller) really ran with were the 49-54 models! Yes, the most conservative, and different from their peers (guess I should say the cars WERE the box). And as the years roll on, these once stodgy looking cars start to grow on you...well, a little. (Hey, I can say this, having had the '53 since 1977). Squint a little, stick a Mercedes grille on it. shrink 20%, and you have a mid-late '50s Mercedes 220S for door Ponton.

Cookie Cutter for GM? Gee, they were out front, perhaps too much so . Look at the '48s. The '59s). Fully agree with you re the '57 line, and I have heard the story a number of times from retired GM styling guys). But when Engel ;ater came over to Chrysler from Ford, he brought his previously used design philosoply. Nice looking cars, but he was copying himself, to a degree. And the 69 Chysler lineup on, through the 70s, was derivative of GM. Look a 69 Plymouth and a 66 Chevy, for example, even with the Fuselage Styling as a possible "innovation").

Generalization...One area where Imperial usually outclassed Cadillac, '40s and '50s wise, was in the interior. Choice of materials, general appearance of $, etc). Cadillac, perhaps correctly in a commercial sense, spent their money in other areas. But this is where your "choice of materials" applies, agreed.

Don't know about cruise control (Chysler indeed innovated, championed or "early adopted" many things, like alternators, electronic ingition, torson bars, etc), but they surely got waxed on (full)automatics. Thirteen years behind GM.

Race car motors? Better be careful. The Hudson Hornet 6 (a flathead, even) showed its nether regions to many a Hemi in the early '50s. Agreed, the Hemi was the best, but other factors that make a race car successful.

Well, anyway...there are Plusses and Minusses on both sides. Just thought I would run through a few. Currell

From: henry ford <fordsfairlane@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:37:04 -0800 (PST)

yes that's blasphemy!
but im not putting down any american made vehicles. but to some who don't know better an IMPERIAL in many ways are better than a cadillac.
1. they were built with care, and used the finest materials available to the auto industry. so that the buyer would get his money's worth and then some.
2. chrysler has always been thinking " out side of the box" compared to others that copy designes. or " cooky cutters".
3. imperials are for the people that want to be different , and not a "wanabe". much like some other auto's that are only show and no go.
4. the imperials have always used the most powerful engines in the auto industry. by this statement, I would like to point out that even back in the 50's and 60's chrysler engines were beatin the pants off others at the races. and chrysler used the same engines in the imperials such as the HEMI and the 413, even - Richard Petty - " king of nascar" won many races with these chrysler engines.
can anyone name a race that a cady engine actually won a race ?
IM not just trying to point out that imperials are faster but that imperials used the very best that chrysler had.
besides the fact that the cady has been played out so much that they are just boring.
I think we live in a country that allows a difference of opinion , and thats fine with me , but what does bugg me is when someone down plays something they know nothing about, AS an imperialist we few we proud few that own or wished owning an imperial, should help educate others about one of the finest automobiles in automotive history.


And just one more to add to the list, imperials had used inventions back in the 50's that all other manufactures use today. correct me if im wrong but I think chrysler was the first to use an auto pilot " cruse controll" , in there auto's. and that must have felt like a slap in the face of GM and ford, because thay had nothing that could come close to the technology ,
I could go on and on but I will end here.


Clint and Laurie Carter <imperialschooner@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, that's just blasphemy!

Clint & Laurie Carter
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From: Dirk Bekker
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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:53 AM
Subject: IML: mistaking NYBs


Hi all,


Some people think a Cadillac is just as good as a Chrysler New Yorker Brougham!

Dirk




http://slim.deasil.com/~swain/2002/wtc6/index/


"A. Lance Espinosa" <ale71@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Standard Catalog of Chrysler 1914- 2000 is good.
It's for all Mopars and Imps.
Includes, factory price, production numbers, options, vin decoder, engine and chassis info.
Used pricing and pics all though most are black and white.
I like Chryslers and Imperials { Dodge,Plymouth, Desoto are ok}
The book is grate for any mopar lover ............
You should see how dog eared mine is ! Lance
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From: DAWIWH@xxxxxxx
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:15 AM
Subject: IML: Imperial Book Recommendations



Hi friends,


Today someone called and asked that I recommend a few "must have" Imperial books for a fellow enthusiast. Tonight as I had time I pulled a few books from my shelves and discovered I have only 3 or 4 books on Imperials, none of which I'm excited about recommending. I have so many books on other cars, yet it seems our beloved Imperials have been overlooked by most publishers. Do any of you know of books that are "must haves" for Imperial enthusiasts?

Thanks in advance for your help,

David
Mount Olive, NC
63 Custom
65 Lebaron
dawiwh@xxxxxxx



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